sparx104
The effect of half a bottle of vodka and an idea. I have to turn this into something coherent...
 
good vs bad and the minimisation of negative effect
 
happy, euphoric, ecstatic etc - "good" is all i've got
same for "bad".
 
"good" is pretty much "less bad" - there's always a "bad" "feeling" - that is the depression? can fluctuate on it's own (or to me anyway) but
never goes. base line - used to it?
 
cannot control/instigate it myself
 
same "good" "feeling" triggered by (or "bad" lessened)
seeing something working well (no matter who "did" it)
well designed, concise code
natural beauty - sunset etc (not always and less so now)
 
"bad" worsened by
doing something wrong
not knowing what is expected/what to do
changes to routine/situation - changes to existing understood situation
reminders of being alone
seeing couples
pretty girls
kids
anything reminding of her
anything reminding that i have no chance to meet someone
 
"good" can be triggered by doing something which has made someone happy - it's "good" to ensure other's happiness.
- "living through others"
 
whilst together "good" was presumably overwhelming. "good" is unusual "feeling" - don't remember much due to "new experience"?
mental shutdown
"good" was promoted by doing things which made her happy, from buying crisps she tried and liked to sex.
- why enjoy kissing? and why more than sex? - too much "not knowing expectations"?
- sex - making her happy made me "happy"? physical vs. (lack of) emotional
 
- why not able to look into her eyes? - triggered "mental shutdown".
still don't know colour. won't ever now. [off topic].
** miss her **
 
"like" and "dislike" are not concious decisions to do something or not due to preference but due to affect on "good" or "bad".
i "dislike" social situations due to consistant "bad"/"distress":
mental shutdown
don't understand situation/not "in control"
- "in control" is not of situation but my part in it - expectations, tasks, rules.
"like" is "reduce 'bad'" or "promote 'good'" but no actual *drive* - state is as it is.
 
pain != "like" or "dislike". will cause pain - eg. bruises, pick at wounds etc. pain can be "good" in that it can take away from "bad"
 
"bad" can be triggered by music. "good" can't. "bad" triggering music => feeling sick. "emotion" via other sensation? "butterflies"?
 
self-harm zero's state - allows objective control over the state/emotions. limited effect
- how relate to stress? agitation? *is linked* fight-or-flight
 
failure of rules is "bad". success of rules is *not* "good" - just neutral. double negatives - opp of good is not bad - is neutral & vv.
 
discomfort from "praise"? - why? lack of "good"? due to duty/expectations/why not do if can? expectations?
 
"bad" can be triggered unexpectedly in sitations where "expected" but not always a)same or b) "usual" - news reports, funerals - some nothing,
some "bad". something going on underneath? build up until breaking point?
 
sex. think about it more. why? - not primary drive (or not aware of it). "sex without love is just putting body parts in one another"
(unknown attrib). have experience so understand what missing? - likely. "to have loved and lost is better than to have never
loved at all" - same thing? bollocks.
 
- pick up on sex references in songs which hadn't noticed before. "come on closer - jem". feel "bad" => not available? cannot
see way to get? not likely to be available. again, sex is *not* primary concern - **want someone to make happy?** - selfish "want"?
 
ex. "going to snowdon". no interest personally of doing it. with her - was "looking forward" to it - *was with her* - experience through her/
make her happy. folk festival - going with someone => them happy == "good". actual *going* means nothing, going and making them
happy => "good". [living through others again?].
 
"sad songs" => neither "good"/"bad" but *can* listen to. always drawn to "sad" songs? alanis, sarah mclachlan, "goth"? most is about
*ending* love not *falling in* love. can't listen to "love songs" - "bad"++. basis on songs?
 
"love" - i *did* love her (no matter what she said **past tense - she's not coming back**). love => wanting nothing but good for the other
person - their happyness was "good". had drive for that - never for anything else. pointless anyway.
 
upsetting her => very "bad". tried to learn. pointless now.
 
why want love?
- get "good" back/feel less "bad".
-caring for someone == "good"
- friendship?
- "liked" knowing what she was doing/involvement in her life
- purpose?
- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the
moment that we're not alone." (*lookup attrib*)
- purpose?
- kissing
 
08 Jul 2010, 13:26:14
This site has a couple of psychological tests on it, one of which (the Alexithymia test) is quite popular - so much so that I've had to redesign the way the tests work so my visitor log doesn't fill up so quick...
 
Here's the available tests for those interested in taking them...
 
As the subject says: How *do* you "make" yourself "feel better"?
 
This comes from the fact that a couple of times I've heard "only you can make yourself feel better". The problem being that I have no actual idea *how* to do it.
 
I guess I can experience emotions (even if I can't "feel" them) - I suffer depression and am depressed and feel crap. I also guess I "felt" happy whilst I was with her - whatever I experienced was completely new - I'd never experienced it before and it was "powerful" enough to mean that I remember almost nothing of the time we actually spent in each other's company.
 
I have a limited means of "coping" with feeling crap - "shutting down" thinking all together - like switching off conciousness or sleeping whilst actually being awake. Sleeping is probably a good analogy as whilst doing this I will generally not be aware of what is going on around me or of time. Depending on how crap I feel I can enter this state by will. If I'm feeling too crap then I will not be able to enter the state as it requires a level of concentration I cannot achieve whilst agitated or too depressed. I can get "down" to a state where I can do it by, in the case of lower-level agitation, organising things (coins, DVDs etc) or doing other repetitive/"automatic" tasks (playing video games or watching TV shows that I've played/seen many times before), or in the case of higher-level agitation via self-harm (which can, in come cases, trigger the state directly).
 
None of that actually addresses the "feeling crap" though - it's just a means to avoid or mask it. Until this started last year I've never had to deal with emotion states - until then I wasn't even aware of having emotions.
 
Now, it appears that I need to learn how to control them. And I don't know how to. I've tried everything people have suggested - relaxation (can't concentrate/imagine/no effect), thinking "nice thoughts" (doesn't work, probably needs an imagination to think up the thoughts), CBT (works for concrete situations, not emotional ones), talking about it (works for the short duration of talking, not afterwards), watching comedy (see later). Nothing works - it might "take my mind off it" for a short while (much the same as "shutting down" I guess) but as soon as I stop doing whatever it is I will feel crap again.
 
I appear to be totally unable to alter/moderate my emotional state - it seems as though there is a "broken link" somewhere.
 
I do seem to be able to "override" it via functional thought as long as I'm not too agitated, this only occurs for a limited time though. For example: if I have to go shopping or such whilst feeling crap I can laugh and joke with someone in the shop but as soon as I walk away I'll feel crap again - the functional thinking involved in the interaction overrides the underlying thinking involved with feeling crap (not that there is any thinking involved really), after a while this will fail and I will start to get "agitated" or "stressed" (in fact I now carry razor blades at all times so that if I can't totally "escape" a situation I can "manage" it).
 
This "ability" seems to be what drives the desire to understand the issues; whilst we were together she said I was unwilling to deal with my problems. This was not the case - I'm always "happy" to discuss them with a view to trying to "solve" them - I never started a conversation about them with her - she had her own problems and didn't need mine but if the conversation got to them then I would to discuss them. The problem is that when discussing them the train of thought will tend to go into the "functional" thought "mode" which then means I'm not actually aware of the "feeling" any more - whilst in this "functional" mode I'm not aware of experiencing the "feelings" so then tend to go off on tangents (a problem I have in normal conversation anyway) and I guess it looked to her that I wasn't talking about my feelings whilst I was just trying to understand them. This also happens in therapy and other situations - I can go from crying to perfectly "functional" and back to crying in moments - it's like switching things in or out. It's generally not in my concious control though - my mind will "decide" when it's ready to change and just do it - I have limited control over going into "functional" thought but leaving it is generally not in my control.
 
So, back to the point, it appears that I have no underlying control of feeling crap - I'm not aware of starting to feel crap - only that I do now feel crap and that at some point it must have started. And I've only ever felt "happy" whilst we were together or I was able to think about seeing her - thinking about her would make me "feel" "happy" - I was able to use that on occasion when I felt crap - I just had to think of her and it would stop.
 
Now I don't have her, or anyone else (or any means/chance/hope of meeting anyone else) that method is not available. And I guess the only "answer" is to learn *how* to control/manipulate what I do "feel". It appears though that no-one is able to "teach" me how to.
 
So: how are you supposed to "make" yourself "feel better"? - how do you manipulate your "feelings"? - how do you manipulate something you appear to have no control over or connection to?
 
If anyone has any suggestions I'd like to hear them...
I posted this to an Alexithymia group in response to a comment someone posted about how their girl seemed to struggle with sorry. It might give you a little more insight into how my mind seems to work I suppose...
 
Perhaps it's important to address the difference between "feeling" sorry and "being" sorry and, perhaps, empathy.
 
From my point of view, if I can see that someone is upset by something I've done then I will "be" sorry - I will do anything I can to undo what I've done to make them upset. Similarly to if they are upset from another cause - I will attempt to deal with that. However, I find that "feeling" sorry is different - I find it difficult to comfort someone who is upset as I simply don't know what to do, instead I primarily focus on dealing with what has made them upset in order to stop.
 
I assume that in normal circumstances people are sorry due to an empathic response - they see someone else upset and feel upset themselves (this is what I've been led to believe). I don't feel this way; if I see someone upset I think something along the lines of "people should not be upset, this person is upset, therefore they must be stopped from being upset" and will act on that. Something which causes problems elsewhere as I will often blame myself for them being upset, whether it is my fault or not, and, if I can't help, I will blame myself for that too.
 
Frankly, my life seems to consist of a collection of these rules, not the "gut feelings" people talk about.
 
So, in short, I can "be" sorry/remorseful for something I've done, as long as I know that it's affected you in that way - I do not intuitively "feel" sorry that I've wronged you unless I can see that I have. Also, there is no difference whether I've caused it, someone else has caused it or whether it's a person or animal.
 
If I cannot see that you have been affected by it then it's unlikely I will be, unless it's violated some "internal rule". Also, once it has stopped visibly affecting you I'm unlikely to "brood" over it and tend to assume that it's all done with, eg. I don't hold grudges or I can have a row with someone and then be perfectly normal with them immediately afterwards. (Although I may punish myself for doing it for some time, but that's another problem).
 
Another bit to add to that (which wasn't in the post) is a bit about another emotion/feeling: pride...
 
The only vaguely creative thing I appear to be able to do is to write software. After writing something which either solves a particularly difficult problem or such I can look at the code and think "that is good code" - I have seen, and written, code which can be described as beautiful, either in simplicity or function. However, I never feel pride in the fact that I wrote it. It makes no difference if I wrote it or someone else did - the perception of the "beauty" of it will be the same and I won't "feel" any different about it.
 
Perhaps this explains some of the reasons I have problems with this goal orientated stuff they keep going on about - I don't feel any pride or accomplishment that I've completed something (a goal or otherwise), I just either think of ways to improve it or to move on to the next thing.